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Whoever it was, nicely growled.

Thank you. :) How're you doing these days?

Not so bad. ;) I'd just caught your Twitter link to the post of the other day (about the firmware upgrade) and decided to add you over here, too.

Any idea/screenshot on the customization? I'm very curious...

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agr(rrr)ee on all points

(except, maybe, phone branding; it's not a bad idea per se, from a marketing point of view: it reinforces brand recognition and loyalty at the subliminal level, when done properly.)

Anyway, I made the mistake of getting an E65 on contract from Vodafone a few years ago. The phone main selling points were VOIP integration (when wifi-enabled phones were still rare) and power-features for confcalls. Can you guess what Vodafone disabled in their version?

I can see where they come from (they sell such features to businesses at huge prices, giving them away to regular customers would be a risk), but it's borderline false advertising and it's a terrible, terrible practice that holds back entire consumer markets. Exactly what you would expect by big telcos.

This doesn't even compare with what orange did with i8910 (omnia HD).
They actually capped the wifi module, making it do drop connections, + the phone would automatically connect via orange internet.

As this wasn't enough, they didn't even bother to release firmware updates as i8910 was a real mess when it got released - they're still fixing it.
At the end of the day it all points to brain-dead users that actually use the carriers store to pay for... wallpapers :|... these users, unfortunately seem to be a statistically significant herd, that can be easily milked.
This is just an example of how branded firmware can destroy a device, If I were samsung, I'd sue.

However debranding is almost as old as carriers themselves ;))

As for N900, Is it your device? try maemo flasher, I don't think they've locked that out? or have they?

Try installed vanilla maemo

I would suggest trying to install the vanilla maemo from maemo.org and let people know if it works alright. It should - if otherwise that would be a real reason to be very angry

Nicely written.

I've got a N900 myself and the ability to buy it without a contract was one of the things that made me decide to buy it. I'm also sick of locked phones (iPhone, Palm Pre).



I should probably have made it clear - this isn't about me. My Mo was one of the first production models out of the hutch from Nokia UK back in November.

To be honest, when I saw someone complaining they couldn't get the new update and wondering whether it was vodaphone I Just Couldn't Believe it. The very idea that Nokia would allow the branding of maemo firmware was just... well, somewhere betwen incredibly stupid and morally wrong. And my experience of the Finns is that they're neither. I can only guess Voda bribed them big time.

Everyone makes good points. I guess most people are as hacked off at these practices as I am. The sooner we persuade people to vote with their feet the better - but for most people the whole 'buy now, pay later' deal of putting the cost of your phone on the contract is appealing.

great post

great post. Nokia are a business and i guess this was a condition of the profitable exclusivity deal made with Vodafone. I remember when i got the n95 from T-mobile and it took almost a year for t-mobile to release the latest firmware update which reduce memory usage and enabled auto-rotate! pita!

iirc, its not the first time. Nokia allowed something similar with either the N800 or N810 and a asian company.

Great post

Can the locked phone be flashed with a generic firmware?

I mean, I'm either blaming the carrier or the user here, don't buy from carriers anything else than membership fees.

Nokia is putting the phone out there and selling it, and they're the first wanting to kill the carrier stores but they still need them in the meantime...

There's a lengthy debate going on over whether flashing with a generic firmware voids the warranty. Since both the flasher and the firmware are provided by Nokia, it's hard to answer with any clarity. A number of people are taking the line that if there's a problem, they would be likely to reflash anyway, and can revert. And if there's a hardware issue, then can revert - unless the damage is so great it's relevent anyway.

Like I said, the n900s are getting set free despite Vodaphone.

totally agree!!

I gotta say i total agree with everythin ur i had a samsung tocco o2 contract be4 i got my nokia n900 and it was awful the most painful experience of a phone ever. bt i will say in someones defense wether its nokias of vodafone, my nokia n900 on contract wit vodafone is not brand, not locked and i can do everything that i wanna do without being forced to go on a vodafone website. this may be because i got mine from carphone warehouse and if wot ur sayin is rite then my advice would be to do the same, i wouldnt want vodafone to limit wot is such an amazing fone.

the whole idea is that you get your phone from the *operator* is flawed (or just plain evil). and those people who keep whining about subsidized phones (no phone should ever cost $500+! etc etc) usually do not really understand that is plain stupid to surrender your independence this way ;-)

Wooo! I totally agree with this!! But you keep talking about some provider called Vodaphone which I can't find any info about on the net. ;) cos it's Vodafone!

I bought mine on Vodafone through Carphone Warehouse here in UK and my firmware isn't branded and the phone isn't carrier locked either as it worked with my old O2 sim :) I'm guessing yours isn't from Voda UK then?

I hate branding..

Which is why I have a 1month rolling sim-only contract and pay for my phones out right :)

Cheaper in the long run I think, plus you don't have a load of rubbish in your phone.

This is why I very nearly didn't go for the N900.

I can't afford to buy one outright, so a subsidised contract was the only way forward. If what you've said is true, I'm now really glad I went to the Carphone Warehouse and not to a Vodafone store. My N900 is, luckily, unlocked and ready to update to the new version of Maemo (when I get 'round to installing NSU later).

I'm totally in agreement - locking makes no sense. It's about time the UK moved to the stance of other countries where phone locking is either frowned upon or illegal.

Equally baffling is the continued use of the the PAC code system. Three made a small post some time ago about how number porting is so much better in Ireland; ask the network to port the number and it's done in a couple of hours, not the WEEK I had to wait for mine to finally switch over from T-Mobile.

The network infrastructure's fine, but the politics around it made me swear never to get another subsidised contract... a little late for that now though!

Edited at 2010-01-15 03:08 pm (UTC)

I have to admit that I am surprised how heavily vodafone must have customised it. Breaking standard nokia updates really is taking the p*ss. I wouldn't mind a vodafone theme, an a discrete vodafone badge in return for getting a subsidised device.

However, when you multiply the monthly charges you've really got to be a heavy user to get the full value from the contract, but disciplined to not go over the allocated service and get stung!
I've not been on contract in ten years, it's so easy to top up your PAYG service in the UK with a card - with Three you do it through web and My3, and it keeps costs down. I guess I'm lucky in that I don't need much data in the week as I'm office bound and it's "my" network infrastructure so I get to use the wifi how I want.

Good Work

An italian translation of your growl @ maemoIT.org:


Very Good Work!


Oh Wow! I am honoured! Thank you. :-)

Limiting facilities Why? Most ‘branded’ phone have their VOIP capacity disabled. Why? I’m already paying you for, say, 600 minutes/month cellphone calls. What does it matter to you whether I use them or not? If I prefer to make my calls via VOIP, why do you care? I pay for 500mb of data transfer per month – why is it acceptable for me to spend that on YouTube videos, email attachments or teddy-bear porn but not on VOIP? The moment I go over my so-called ‘fair use’ you will start billing me at exorbitant prices per mb... it might even be to your advantage if I use VOIP!

It's a very simple (and effective) marketing choice; since they are able to sell VOIP phones as well on the same market and you'll need at least two phones to take advantage of both services so they practically sell you the same device twice.

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lazy end users

unfortunately most end users are too lazy to educate themselves in other to empower themselves.

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